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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yeah I noticed that Facebook charges for such things as sending their own personalized alphabet for birthdays and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yeah I noticed that Facebook charges for such things as sending their own personalized alphabet for birthdays and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30713</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you WANT to pay for the service? My parent&#039;s do not like me using money online, especially not for playtime on facebook and other networking sites that they deem unimportant because it is not making me money.

If they charged, I might not get to be a user. :/ : (

So just keep that in mind in the case of some users. I have not read your post yet but perhaps you already realize what I have said. :) I hope you have at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you WANT to pay for the service? My parent&#8217;s do not like me using money online, especially not for playtime on facebook and other networking sites that they deem unimportant because it is not making me money.</p>
<p>If they charged, I might not get to be a user. :/ : (</p>
<p>So just keep that in mind in the case of some users. I have not read your post yet but perhaps you already realize what I have said. :) I hope you have at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: bleh</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30521</link>
		<dc:creator>bleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if 25% stay on after charging $ for FB actually happens per the hypothetical scenario, that still changes what FB inherently is. A smaller community of paying people is not the same as the FB world today. This will therefore affect people&#039;s desire to be on it in the first place. One reason people love FB is because everyone and their sister&#039;s cousin is on it...not 25% of their sister&#039;s cousins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if 25% stay on after charging $ for FB actually happens per the hypothetical scenario, that still changes what FB inherently is. A smaller community of paying people is not the same as the FB world today. This will therefore affect people&#8217;s desire to be on it in the first place. One reason people love FB is because everyone and their sister&#8217;s cousin is on it&#8230;not 25% of their sister&#8217;s cousins.</p>
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		<title>By: chris Tompkins</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30238</link>
		<dc:creator>chris Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook isn&#039;t a product or service, its a place.  For example, online dating services rarely do well if they charge for you simply to browse users.  However, some do very well if they take the extra step to set you up with users.  This is a premium and tangible service provided by the company.  It is worth it for some users to plop down a couple bucks for it.   Amazon.com or any other e-tailer gives you a physical product in exchange for your money, self-explanatory why that works.  

Facebook on the other hand is a place, a club if you will.  There aren&#039;t any services it provides that make it &#039;cool&#039; enough to pay for it.  Sure, everyone has it, but people don&#039;t like to pay to explore or find out what COULD happen.  They pay for guarantees they know WILL happen.  I WILL get a date or I WILL get this product... not oh I&#039;m paying to screw around and upload some photos.  

Facebook has a platform which could sell many services.  Think of the dating possibilities at college, it sets you up for a fee with others at your college who are looking.  Not to mention non-romantic things like clubs or other groups and services.  

There are also social sales opportunities, selling local or recruiting locally, all possible with Facebook (probably better served on LinkedIn though).  

There are plenty of other opportunities, but if Facebook wants to start charging, they need to stop sitting at their computers all day programming algorythms and start doing real work to provide services people want.  We pay for physical products or relationships developed through service.  We do not pay for automated digital services which we perceive as inherently valueless or  replaceable.  

Also your iTunes analogy isn&#039;t properly researched. The iTunes store does not make a lot of money in comparison to the iPod, which is the main drive of profits.  Why do you think record companies have been jostling with Apple so much over prices lately.  Also, the iTunes story didn&#039;t convert many people, more steal or listen by alternative means then ever before... look at playlist.com, torrenting, or pandora (someone who has an effective freemium model). 

People don&#039;t pay for ideas, connections, relationships, entertainment, emotional content, or media... they pay for tangible guaranteed physical products and services.   I argue this will never change, and combined with the internets ability to aggregate and distribute information quickly and cheaply, destroy more industries than it creates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook isn&#8217;t a product or service, its a place.  For example, online dating services rarely do well if they charge for you simply to browse users.  However, some do very well if they take the extra step to set you up with users.  This is a premium and tangible service provided by the company.  It is worth it for some users to plop down a couple bucks for it.   Amazon.com or any other e-tailer gives you a physical product in exchange for your money, self-explanatory why that works.  </p>
<p>Facebook on the other hand is a place, a club if you will.  There aren&#8217;t any services it provides that make it &#8216;cool&#8217; enough to pay for it.  Sure, everyone has it, but people don&#8217;t like to pay to explore or find out what COULD happen.  They pay for guarantees they know WILL happen.  I WILL get a date or I WILL get this product&#8230; not oh I&#8217;m paying to screw around and upload some photos.  </p>
<p>Facebook has a platform which could sell many services.  Think of the dating possibilities at college, it sets you up for a fee with others at your college who are looking.  Not to mention non-romantic things like clubs or other groups and services.  </p>
<p>There are also social sales opportunities, selling local or recruiting locally, all possible with Facebook (probably better served on LinkedIn though).  </p>
<p>There are plenty of other opportunities, but if Facebook wants to start charging, they need to stop sitting at their computers all day programming algorythms and start doing real work to provide services people want.  We pay for physical products or relationships developed through service.  We do not pay for automated digital services which we perceive as inherently valueless or  replaceable.  </p>
<p>Also your iTunes analogy isn&#8217;t properly researched. The iTunes store does not make a lot of money in comparison to the iPod, which is the main drive of profits.  Why do you think record companies have been jostling with Apple so much over prices lately.  Also, the iTunes story didn&#8217;t convert many people, more steal or listen by alternative means then ever before&#8230; look at playlist.com, torrenting, or pandora (someone who has an effective freemium model). </p>
<p>People don&#8217;t pay for ideas, connections, relationships, entertainment, emotional content, or media&#8230; they pay for tangible guaranteed physical products and services.   I argue this will never change, and combined with the internets ability to aggregate and distribute information quickly and cheaply, destroy more industries than it creates.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30237</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Chris, once they come in to the store, what can Facebook sell them? You can transfer this entire argument over to what happens when Facebook tries to monetize its user base in a freemium model. I think people don&#039;t want advertising in Facebook as much as they don&#039;t want to pay for it.

Everyone always says there are a bunch of replacements for Facebook, but it would take a whole lot of truly tectonic shifts for people, en masse, to migrate over to another platform. Not saying it couldn&#039;t, but I don&#039;t know that a $2 fee would cause that.

People went pretty quietly from getting music for free on Napster and P2P to paying $1 on iTunes, which is a bit of an apples to oranges, but certainly can be analogous. I think free Internet purists certainly reflect thinking inside the tech community, which, we often forget, is a lot different than the public in general. I doubt most people have a philosophical foundation for their decision on whether to pay for something, they just do or don&#039;t – and most often don&#039;t.

I am playing Devil&#039;s Advocate a bit – I personally wouldn&#039;t pay to use FB, but I&#039;m not a big user – but I think there&#039;s little merit in the &quot;people will never pay for it&quot; argument about online services. We inside the tech bubble have strong opinions about it, but I&#039;m guessing the other 149.5 million people using FB don&#039;t. They just might not pay for it if it isn&#039;t worth it to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Chris, once they come in to the store, what can Facebook sell them? You can transfer this entire argument over to what happens when Facebook tries to monetize its user base in a freemium model. I think people don&#8217;t want advertising in Facebook as much as they don&#8217;t want to pay for it.</p>
<p>Everyone always says there are a bunch of replacements for Facebook, but it would take a whole lot of truly tectonic shifts for people, en masse, to migrate over to another platform. Not saying it couldn&#8217;t, but I don&#8217;t know that a $2 fee would cause that.</p>
<p>People went pretty quietly from getting music for free on Napster and P2P to paying $1 on iTunes, which is a bit of an apples to oranges, but certainly can be analogous. I think free Internet purists certainly reflect thinking inside the tech community, which, we often forget, is a lot different than the public in general. I doubt most people have a philosophical foundation for their decision on whether to pay for something, they just do or don&#8217;t – and most often don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I am playing Devil&#8217;s Advocate a bit – I personally wouldn&#8217;t pay to use FB, but I&#8217;m not a big user – but I think there&#8217;s little merit in the &#8220;people will never pay for it&#8221; argument about online services. We inside the tech bubble have strong opinions about it, but I&#8217;m guessing the other 149.5 million people using FB don&#8217;t. They just might not pay for it if it isn&#8217;t worth it to them.</p>
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		<title>By: chris Tompkins</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30232</link>
		<dc:creator>chris Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack errors above  &quot;Select group&quot; and &quot;access their user base for a fee&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack errors above  &#8220;Select group&#8221; and &#8220;access their user base for a fee&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chris Tompkins</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30231</link>
		<dc:creator>chris Tompkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post makes this company look like it isn&#039;t aware of the fundamental principals of internet culture.  The percentage of users who tend to pay for premium access (no matter how cheap) after the product has been promised implicitly for free, is closer to 1% not 25%. Why do you think the NYTimes, LinkedIn, and other prominent sites are unable to charge for their otherwise high end product. Your current assumption is extremely far off the mark, and undermines even a hypothetical conclusion.

This is adding on top of the fact that you don&#039;t seem to understand the business services Facebook provides.  It charges for clients to advertise to select

Also, this hypothetical ignores the fundamental principle and product that Facebook was created to accomplish, connect people.  The business model is attempting to monetize that by allowing companies access to their user base for free.  Its not like Facebook is selling something that is so amazing it can&#039;t be duplicated anywhere else, there are thousands of other carbon copies which are free as well.  Charging for this process of connecting people destroys the basic way that Facebook attracts its user base. The difference between Free and $1 is huge.  Even if a friend invites me, it goes from feeling social to feeling scam, a pyramid scheme where my friends are accosting me to spend money on a product.

If you simply say, oh ok, we&#039;re going to charge money now, you&#039;re ignoring the product, business model, existing user base and about everything else Facebook does.  In fact, you are essentially creating a new company.  Oh wait, its already been done before -- classmates.com -- and its hasn&#039;t been able to get over $50m in revenue.  

Freemium is the only way to go, because its similar to creating a store and selling a product. How many customers would you expect to come in if you charged a fee to enter?  None.  How would that translate into sales?  It wouldn&#039;t.  Facebook needs to think of itself as a store which gets people in, then charges them once they find something they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post makes this company look like it isn&#8217;t aware of the fundamental principals of internet culture.  The percentage of users who tend to pay for premium access (no matter how cheap) after the product has been promised implicitly for free, is closer to 1% not 25%. Why do you think the NYTimes, LinkedIn, and other prominent sites are unable to charge for their otherwise high end product. Your current assumption is extremely far off the mark, and undermines even a hypothetical conclusion.</p>
<p>This is adding on top of the fact that you don&#8217;t seem to understand the business services Facebook provides.  It charges for clients to advertise to select</p>
<p>Also, this hypothetical ignores the fundamental principle and product that Facebook was created to accomplish, connect people.  The business model is attempting to monetize that by allowing companies access to their user base for free.  Its not like Facebook is selling something that is so amazing it can&#8217;t be duplicated anywhere else, there are thousands of other carbon copies which are free as well.  Charging for this process of connecting people destroys the basic way that Facebook attracts its user base. The difference between Free and $1 is huge.  Even if a friend invites me, it goes from feeling social to feeling scam, a pyramid scheme where my friends are accosting me to spend money on a product.</p>
<p>If you simply say, oh ok, we&#8217;re going to charge money now, you&#8217;re ignoring the product, business model, existing user base and about everything else Facebook does.  In fact, you are essentially creating a new company.  Oh wait, its already been done before &#8212; classmates.com &#8212; and its hasn&#8217;t been able to get over $50m in revenue.  </p>
<p>Freemium is the only way to go, because its similar to creating a store and selling a product. How many customers would you expect to come in if you charged a fee to enter?  None.  How would that translate into sales?  It wouldn&#8217;t.  Facebook needs to think of itself as a store which gets people in, then charges them once they find something they want.</p>
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		<title>By: dominiq</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-30160</link>
		<dc:creator>dominiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helathy discussion.

I really think Facebook should find a way to monetize its information assets without taking any risk regarding privacy.

BI and entreprise level services could bring $$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helathy discussion.</p>
<p>I really think Facebook should find a way to monetize its information assets without taking any risk regarding privacy.</p>
<p>BI and entreprise level services could bring $$.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason M.</title>
		<link>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation/2009/11/11/why-facebook-and-twitter-should-start-charging-users/comment-page-1/#comment-29931</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I need to clarify a major point here. I&#039;m not suggesting Facebook charges all users. It will still be fundamentally free. But once you reach a certain level of usage - let&#039;s say 300 friends or 5 apps - you then need to start paying, or refrain from expanding your network. This is the freemium model I mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I need to clarify a major point here. I&#8217;m not suggesting Facebook charges all users. It will still be fundamentally free. But once you reach a certain level of usage &#8211; let&#8217;s say 300 friends or 5 apps &#8211; you then need to start paying, or refrain from expanding your network. This is the freemium model I mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: FB User Going Rogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>FB User Going Rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will close our accounts, then tweet about the evil-greedy face book.  Say I have 300 friends, and I close my account (after I tell them about the greedy fees), a domino effects starts....then there will be no facebook.  Hullo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will close our accounts, then tweet about the evil-greedy face book.  Say I have 300 friends, and I close my account (after I tell them about the greedy fees), a domino effects starts&#8230;.then there will be no facebook.  Hullo?</p>
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